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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 287

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for the 20th of april 2014.

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richard saunders here with you in sydney

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australia

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to the brim of chocolate easter eggs and

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chocolate bars

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and chocolate chocolate with some

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it's just that time of the year folks

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and when you have

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nieces and nephews who are mad keen on

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easter egg hunts

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well i mean

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you've got to

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play the part and be a good uncle good

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aunt good uncle and uh

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um eat lots of um uh chocolate but

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putting aside the chocolate for one

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moment what's coming up on this week's

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episode of the skeptic zone it's the

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welcome return of a grain of salt with

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iran sagev iran lucky iran was over at

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qed question explore discover the

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wonderful convention in manchester and

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this week to kick off his uh season of

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interviews from qed

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iran chats to michael marshall from the

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merseyside skeptics and the relatively

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new good thinking website i quite like

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this interview it's sort of like a

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more like a fireside chat with michael

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marshall getting his insights into qed

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and other and other adventures

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after that it's a week in science from

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our friends at the royal institution of

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australia www.riaus.org

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a u

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the place i keep threatening to visit to

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visit my friend dr paul willis who will

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no doubt show me his extensive

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collection of chocolate

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and then following that it's evidence

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please a new segment with joe alabaster

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joe you remember from last week's show

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reading about her success and getting

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some homeopathy news taken off the

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internet this week joe reads the

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newspaper report on the dangers of

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whooping cough and to round off the show

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it's an update from our friend dr besh

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saab

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who's in olimoths in the czech republic

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right now attending the uh film festival

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lucky besh lucky guy he's going to tell

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us what it was really like to be in that

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mars simulation mission that would have

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been interesting for sure and some more

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information about the festival in the

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czech republic before we get stuck into

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this show i've been asked to tell you

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about a petition

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a petition at the moment take action to

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improve

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vaccination rates across queensland

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i have a link

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to this petition which is at change.org

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and some news for sydney cider sydney

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skeptics please come to the next

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australian skeptics dinner meeting which

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will be on the 24th of may saturday the

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24th of may at the ride eastwood's

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leagues club and you can find

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dot a u oh

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medical entomologist from the university

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of sydney and westmead hospital will

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give a fun fascinating and

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itch inducing presentation on everything

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you ever wanted to know and quite a lot

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you didn't want to know about insects

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that want to drink your blood

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yes folks we certainly deliver

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interesting talks at the australian

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skeptics dinner meeting learn about

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killer mozzies

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killing mozzies learn about blood

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sucking bats that want to drink your

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after dinner i hope

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and discuss whether we really need to

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get rid of all our kangaroos and birds

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dr mozzie will be the one to answer all

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your questions now dr cameron webb was a

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guest recently at skeptics in the pub in

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mosquito type things so i'm really

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looking forward to this dinner if you

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want to come along it's uh saturday

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but for now while i run downstairs

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and heaven knows i might even find some

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while i'm doing that i hope you enjoy

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so i'm here with marsh michael marshall

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one of the organizers of uh qed head

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you're all headed off you're always

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wrong we are all equal we are all equals

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in the qed world especially now mike

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organizer in the past because uh

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whatever michael does uh he tends to be

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the head at it because he is the brain

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you know that that man has a brain and

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everything goes through his brain and

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he's an absolute genius and he he sees

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details that everybody else misses but

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uh he wasn't involved in qe this year so

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the the half with the communication

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skills so he's not responsible for that

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he's oh god no mike's got no

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communication skills christ no no he's a

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software developer you know mike is the

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sixth time he'll randomly talk to you

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what mike mike is like which is great

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mike and i mean maybe i know listeners

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that sure may have heard uh

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past we've certainly i know which has

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been running uh ads for our show for uh

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the motorcycle skeptic society but it

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colin so the three guys who are on the

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limits were very quickly and i i quite

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like ridiculing people around i mean you

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spent the weekend with me uh i'd like to

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think that you've uh you've enjoyed

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eclipse and like any accord whereas i

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don't mind a claimant chord but i only

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like a claim of the chord that i've

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worked for uh and i remember i was

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actually speaking to someone i forget uh

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when uh and somebody asked me uh what is

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way is to work incredibly hard for a

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number of years work your absolute socks

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ground than if you've just written a few

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blogs slagging a few people off and and

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suddenly found yourself at the top on

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very shaky ground just just work hard

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try and do things the right way uh so

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so you clearly work very hard you're you

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of those things that you've got to kind

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of pinch yourself about so um there's a

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the good thinking society which was set

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force for phenomenal and phenomenal good

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he's known to everybody in skepticism

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he's a great great uh a great advocate

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for reason um so we set the the charity

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in the uk look like it's very small it's

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very slimline and kind of agile um and

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three weeks a month ago now um and we're

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what it what it is that that role even

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means and what we can do and what kind

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of opportunities are out there and we're

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looking at many different things in

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keen on tackling psychics that's a big

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bug bear of mine and something i've been

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fighting for five or six years now

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um but already we've started to produce

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week yes um and it kind of occurred to

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of homeopathy and then you get world

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homeopathy awareness week and you think

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about homeopathy familiarity you know

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lovely and natural and gentle we'll do

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a point where there's nothing in it and

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if you replace real medicine for it

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people die and it's a huge amount of

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money and people say that um

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supporters of homeopathy say that uh the

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pharmaceutical companies suppress

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homeopathy because they can't afford to

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sell it themselves and then you look at

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the amount of money that waleeda and

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boron and nelson's make out of

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homeopathy and it's a huge huge sum and

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we're talking tens hundreds of merc

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exactly yeah mercury on it's it's it's

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ludicrous to suggest that you can't sell

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it in fact i was i was recent at the

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mind body wallet festival as you know

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you as you like to call it and i had uh

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uh one of these practitioners in front

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of me he was saying oh well you know

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this this one chap he um he had a very

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serious lung disease and he wasn't doing

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very well um and then we came along and

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we gave him our kind of stuff and he was

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completely cured and i was saying wow

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that's that's amazing but it's amazing

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that more people don't know about this

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why isn't this more widely known he said

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well

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the pharmaceutical companies they

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suppress it because they can't sell this

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they can't profit from this i said oh

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that's that's fascinating so how much

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does it cost for one of your treatments

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45 pounds so okay so you can sell it

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you've got no problem selling it that's

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easy enough for you uh yeah so so we

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when we talk about homeopathy awareness

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i think uh it's very clear that when as

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skeptics what we're trying to do is

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raise awareness so we launched a website

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homie up the awarenessweek.org uh

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because we found that i i noticed that

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homeopathyawarenessweek.com went to

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where nelson's the uh the uk distributor

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who supplied boots to many people

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and uh homeopathy awareness week.cod at

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uk

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also went to nelson so they really

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thought they were going to cash in a

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little bit from this they thought they

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were going to sell some stuff and i

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noticed that homeopathy

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awarenessweek.org was free so i bought

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it i thought you want awareness we'll

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give you some awareness

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let's make people really aware so uh and

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it's been going really well i mean on

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the first day that we launched we got 40

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000 hits something like that and then uh

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the next day uh i had an article in the

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guardian and the guardian title for the

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for my article was wonderful

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as you might have written it yeah you

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don't write the title but the editor

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really got the feel for what i was

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trying to do because he put the title i

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forget exactly but it was along the

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lines of uh why hold me up or why better

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awareness of homeopathy will lead to a

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healthier and happier life

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and the number of people in the comments

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who came saying i came here ready to

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slag you off but it kind of makes sense

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actually because i read that i was

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saying well if we're going to make

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people aware of homeopathy you should be

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aware that hormone pass will cure will

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will claim to treat aids and malaria and

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all these horrible things in

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very bad places and uh i also wrote in

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the article that you have homopaths

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without borders who i said you know they

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go into these uh these places with sugar

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pills you know they've got suitcases

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filled with sugar pills so they're not

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so much meds on some frontier as med

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samsung medicine

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which i was very very happy with

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somebody seen exactly

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and then so that was on uh that was on

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friday and then a saturday we had that

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was on buying boeing and i think by

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today as we recorded this sunday i think

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we had to kind of renew a lease without

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hosting because we've managed to

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collapse the server so

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the hosting were very very kind to

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extend the server which means that we

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must have been kind of caning it in

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terms of hits because everyone's sort of

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gone actually yeah homeopathy awareness

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is exactly what skepticism should be

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doing um so i quite like the idea that

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when the next homeopathy awareness week

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comes around and you have the homeopathy

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awareness week

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organizers and they're just about to

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press hit on that press release they're

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just about press send and they kind of

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think

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maybe not because last time it kind of

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backfired on us i don't want to give

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them that little

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air of of doubt which is something

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similar to what happened with

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chiropractic i mean that they

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they went out you know all guns blazing

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and and ended up

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in deep [\h__\h] basically yeah it's a

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public pr perspective well i mean these

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kind of um these kind of treatments um

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when they talk about be awareness weeks

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and when they talk about these these pro

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their promotional weeks and it's

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ludicrous in a way because when they

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when it comes to homeopathy awareness

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week that the reason it's homeopathy

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awareness week is because some homies

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thought homeopaths thought

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yeah we'll have this week

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let's sell more products this week let's

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tell people this is our week nobody

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decrees these days or these weeks i mean

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uh one of my uh big skeptical projects

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over the last kind of five or six years

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has been looking at pr in the media and

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one of the topics i've not really really

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gone into but i've peripherally

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researched and i've considered making

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part of my normal research is these

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awareness days or these specific weeks

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or this and if you actually look you can

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pick any data in the calendar and find

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there are three four five different days

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and then that that day makes up part of

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two three four different weeks and it's

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a part of a different month and they're

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all just decided on by the pr companies

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or by the people who are so why because

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we decide absolutely and uh yeah maybe

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that's something that we should do in

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the future and maybe that's something

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you should be chatting to me about in a

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couple of months yeah but uh we haven't

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said about it

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so yeah that's something that we'll come

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back to but um

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just decided that homeopathy awareness

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week this is our week to try and sell

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more products but um

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i'd like to think that every time

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there's a homeopathy awareness week

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skeptics will be making people more

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aware of homeopathy than homeopaths ever

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will be because they will never make you

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aware of what homeopathy actually is or

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what it does or how it doesn't work or

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what any of the evidence is they'll just

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be telling you hey buy these pills

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they're kind of nice and they're gentle

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and they're kind of sweet but they won't

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actually give you any real information

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again you know i know what it's like at

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the end of the conference like this you

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know the how the

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you know you just

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relax yeah you relax for the first time

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yeah i call it the knee buckle thing you

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know like the knees just buckle you know

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they don't need to support you anymore

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you can you can let loose a little bit

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um but first of all i i really have to

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say it um

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that uh this is um

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an amazing conference it really is it's

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just um

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it's

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that everything really just just worked

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really well um

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but it's the most important thing is i

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might i come to these conferences not

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for the speakers

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i come for com completely for the social

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aspects to to meet people to talk to

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people and know we've discussed this

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that one of your goals in this

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conference in in a conference like this

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is exactly right so that people get

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together and start talking about yeah

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the kind of things that can do that they

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can do you can learn from other people

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i mentioned to mike earlier about how

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tam actually did a little bit of a

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survey and they found out immediately

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after time

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several new groups every year there's

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several new groups that start

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immediately after ten because people get

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together and they learn from other

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people so so there's a huge the social

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side is just so incredibly important and

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i think there's something that you've

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done here and i'm not sure exactly

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whether i can

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pin it down but i'd be interested to try

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to

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that you've created a really

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nice positive atmosphere

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and

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you've given enough time for people to

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socialize which is also good

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perhaps actually it might be a good idea

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to add a little bit more time between

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the talks of people

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but again we'll talk about these things

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well i guess the real ethos we try and

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aim for with with qed um

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is

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the speakers are very much there for the

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attendees yes and the organizers are

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there for the attendees and the venue

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and all the plans are there to have

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people there

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talking to each other and around each

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other so we always try and

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gear it not towards the speakers but

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towards the attendees and sometimes we

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will even choose the speakers depending

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on who we think will be most likely to

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hang around the the attendees because

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what we love most is that i mean tonight

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you know we were in the bar and uh in

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the in the evening qed and nate phelps

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phenomenal keynote speaker uh a qd

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amazing speech you know i i was there

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was i was crying i was outright crying

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how wonderful his talk was how moving

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and emotional and utterly beautiful the

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way he expressed the the tragedy and

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then the positivity of his life in in

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that order the tragedy of his upbringing

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that the positivity of how he sort of

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punched his way out of that upbringing

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and became the man that he is now

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wonderful talk and he's just a guy who

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sat in the corner of the bar just

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chatting to people yeah and everybody we

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have here uh i think at this conference

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is just chatting to people at the bar

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and i think that's so so important that

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there is no

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i i hate more than anything this them

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and us mentality that there are no

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people bigger than us when we've had

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richard dawkins of previous communities

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the most wonderful thing i've seen is

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that um

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one of the the panel rooms that we had

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was a

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a particular debate which got very full

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and very vociferous and uh was very

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lively and at one point there was just

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richard dawkin just sat cross-legged on

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the floor there was no seats for him so

550
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he just came in and he sat cross-legged

551
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,320
on the floor and he was just sort of

552
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,320
contributing like everybody else because

553
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,559
we seem to try we really try quite hard

554
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,640
to engender this idea that everybody who

555
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,240
turns up is as valid as everybody else

556
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:47,760
whether you're speaking whether you're

557
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,520
coming whether you're on a panel whether

558
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,679
you're an organizer everybody we're

559
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:54,000
skeptics we're here for the same reason

560
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,840
um and we're here for the same goals

561
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,520
really and i think if we keep that

562
00:19:03,510 --> 00:18:59,600
mentality that there is no

563
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,520
class there is no um a vip that we're

564
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,720
all just

565
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:06,400
here because we believe in the same

566
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,840
thing that i think that's kind of the

567
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,760
best thing to kind of aim for absolutely

568
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,640
absolutely and in fact i you had a green

569
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,520
room

570
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,280
which kind of what we sort of did sort

571
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,120
of did you saw okay

572
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,039
i actually knew i knew i knew where it

573
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:22,320
was because on the first day

574
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,320
nick asked me to i think you and nick

575
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,559
asked me to carry some stuff there and

576
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,000
then he was left untouched i actually

577
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:29,520
used it for a couple of interviews but

578
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,240
yeah

579
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,919
none of the speakers knew where it was

580
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,520
it wasn't well it never came up so we

581
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:35,919
never felt any discussions

582
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:38,880
but the reality is that um

583
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,360
a green room is probably the the

584
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:42,799
counterproductive from that perspective

585
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,440
but sometimes speakers do sometimes need

586
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,200
time to prepare so it's good to have

587
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,120
that kind of facility sometimes perhaps

588
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:50,960
for some speakers to just be able to go

589
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,240
over the notes and all that but the

590
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,720
reality is you know what i saw um paul

591
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,559
sitting in the bar and going over things

592
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,720
and i saw other um

593
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,400
and i saw other other speakers just just

594
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,320
you know you don't need that necessarily

595
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:03,919
that space and i think

596
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,559
green room could create that separation

597
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,799
that vip thing yeah it's an odd one so

598
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:10,080
um

599
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:11,280
this is the first time we're in a new

600
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:12,240
venue

601
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:16,240
was lovely was it a little small for how

602
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:17,600
big we've become which is which is a

603
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,600
real testament to how much i think we've

604
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,440
been captured the the kind of the the

605
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,440
imagination of the uk skeptical even in

606
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:25,200
european we've got so many european

607
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,720
skeptics it's wonderful to see people

608
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,159
from different uh countries coming here

609
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,559
and talking about how it works

610
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:32,000
yeah there's a lot of so many it's

611
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:33,039
brilliant it's brilliant because it's

612
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,240
quite easy to get to here i guess

613
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,840
because we're quite accessible

614
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,039
um

615
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,880
but in our previous venue we did have a

616
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,559
green room and it was the balcony

617
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,720
overlooking the main room uh and it was

618
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:44,159
nice and it was kind of a little tricky

619
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,440
to get out to get to and a lot of our

620
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,559
speakers kind of hung around there while

621
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,720
they were preparing notes and um but it

622
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,000
was but a lot of others didn't and they

623
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,320
were amongst the crowd and uh this year

624
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,840
we do have a green room it's a little

625
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,919
trickier to get to it's not a little

626
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,320
tricky it's a bloody maze well the whole

627
00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:00,159
hotel is a maze

628
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,280
but

629
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,679
it's it will be easy to get to uh no

630
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,520
one's actually quite easy to get to it's

631
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,000
not very easy to get back

632
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,080
there's a split on the way back it's

633
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,600
dreams you get it wrong

634
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,159
if you get it wrong you end up on stage

635
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,919
yeah yeah but i mean

636
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,159
i mean that's true but i quite like that

637
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,240
because the thing is this hotelism is

638
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,679
but it's also amazed with a million

639
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,919
different corridors so i mean we're sat

640
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:25,280
in one of the side rooms that we didn't

641
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:26,400
hire but it was just one of the rooms

642
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,600
that was free the whole time there's

643
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,240
there's always space in this building if

644
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,159
you need some private time but what we

645
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,080
didn't want is people just hiding away

646
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,159
and um yeah but but we also i mean we

647
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,000
choose our speakers

648
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,520
very specifically for people that we

649
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,039
think are going to

650
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,640
be very happy being around people i

651
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,000
think that's so so important we don't

652
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,760
want someone who wants to come in do

653
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,360
their talk and leave again because we

654
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:49,280
want to say we're all the same you know

655
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,240
we're all

656
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,679
the the person who sat on raw 17 of uh

657
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,200
of the conference this year might be on

658
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,360
stage next year it all depends on the

659
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,960
work that you do and the story that you

660
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,240
have to tell the messages that you're

661
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,679
you're like it's actually it's a little

662
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,520
bit more you said next year

663
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:05,840
the person who was on stage two hours

664
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:08,640
ago he's on on row 17 now and it was

665
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,520
yeah

666
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,720
that

667
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,799
um

668
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:17,120
there was any any distinction or

669
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,159
anything

670
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,919
like there's no and i think aesthetics i

671
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,039
don't believe that we should have a

672
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,960
hierarchy i fundamentally don't i think

673
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,400
by and large look definitely at

674
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,640
australian conferences

675
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,200
we we haven't had any any

676
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,880
uh

677
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,400
we haven't had anything that would

678
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,240
suggest a hierarchy with you know the

679
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,159
level of accessibility even at tam i

680
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,480
think to a large extent with a probably

681
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,280
a few exceptions um there is that

682
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,799
accessibility and i think that's what

683
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:44,000
one of the things that people like about

684
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,200
going to town first i don't know have

685
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,120
you ever been to town no i've never i've

686
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,880
never come into america let alone to

687
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,559
town but but i think the curious thing i

688
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:52,720
guess even about people in general is

689
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,240
that cultures uh self-arrange

690
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,960
unless you actively stop them so you

691
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,799
have to actively stop people arranging

692
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,320
into a hierarchy so what we're trying to

693
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,640
do at qed is actively try and

694
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,760
you know

695
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,120
it's gonna sound ridiculous but as a

696
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,600
metaphor but you you put oil on water

697
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,520
and the oil rises on the top until you

698
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,760
put some uh some washing up liquid on it

699
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,520
and everything mixes back together and

700
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,200
as the organizers we try and be the the

701
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,840
washing up liquid to to stop the oil and

702
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,760
the water separately say it's all just

703
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,159
one chemistry metaphor i know i know and

704
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,440
i'm an english literature

705
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,520
but it was a metaphor and therefore i'm

706
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,760
qualified to do it i have a degree that

707
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,840
says i can do metaphors and i'm allowed

708
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:33,440
yeah even if they're wrong

709
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,669
it was too too scientific

710
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,400
yeah so uh um

711
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,080
how do you feel about the the changes

712
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,559
that you've um made in uh skeptics with

713
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,760
a k now with alice uh as the new member

714
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,760
mike mike already spoke about her oh

715
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,520
he's he's always always talk about us i

716
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,200
mean i i absolutely love us and the

717
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,760
thing is i loved colin well i love colin

718
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,440
it's not like he's dead or gone oh he's

719
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,720
like if you're not on the show anymore

720
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,640
you're dead to me no he's very much a

721
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,000
part of my life and he's a wonderful

722
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,919
wonderful guy and he's a lovely fellow

723
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,679
but obviously he's he's about to become

724
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,039
a father for the first time and he just

725
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,799
didn't have the time to uh to go and

726
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,200
talk nonsense with a couple of [\h__\h]

727
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,799
like me and mike for a couple of hours

728
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,200
on every other week um but yeah it's

729
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,440
really nice because alice uh we've known

730
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,760
us for a very very long time and i think

731
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,600
as the emergency skeptic society we seem

732
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,080
to be growing with a number of different

733
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,600
people that we kind of

734
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,679
if you i genuinely believe if you do

735
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,400
things the right way with the right kind

736
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,000
of spirit you know the right intention

737
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,760
you're really trying to do it the right

738
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,559
way

739
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,880
you gravitate people toward you who

740
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,960
recognize your intention and so these

741
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,799
guys they're trying to do something and

742
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,080
they i'd like to do something as well

743
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,679
and you start to sort of attract people

744
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,279
like a little kind of magnet or a

745
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,039
gravitational force you start to sort of

746
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,880
build your little bulk of uh of

747
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,360
collectives across your community

748
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,559
and so from there you can start seeing

749
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,240
well who's got what kind of skills and

750
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,159
and i love alice because alice has got

751
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,480
um well she's a hard scientist which me

752
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:02,240
and mike certainly aren't so this will

753
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,200
be the first time we're really

754
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,960
challenged on science because alice

755
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:07,440
knows stuff and does she experiment

756
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,039
alice has cells in a dish somewhere

757
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,960
that's more than me mike will ever have

758
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,400
you know that's more scientific than we

759
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,720
could ever pretend to do i have kids i

760
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,440
have cells in a dish

761
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,360
every day

762
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,520
and i have to fight to get people to put

763
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,799
them in

764
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,720
yeah yeah so we're so yeah we're really

765
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,480
happy we've had other members of the uh

766
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,840
skeptic society on there as well we've

767
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,480
had garand who is a plant biologist and

768
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,159
again incredibly knowledgeable about the

769
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,720
stuff that uh he does and it's it's

770
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,279
impressive to have somebody who usually

771
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,919
uh we're too busy ridiculing in the pub

772
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:43,279
for various different reasons then

773
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,559
suddenly he comes on the show and he

774
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,600
actually talks about the stuff he really

775
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,520
knows about it's like oh this this guy

776
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,360
knows stuff it turns out we know a guy

777
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,360
who knows stuff how did this happen

778
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,760
because i don't know stuff i just i just

779
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,000
make silly jokes i don't make puns

780
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,159
basically make puns and kind of get a

781
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,840
bit irrated people who are hurting

782
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,279
people that's kind of as though i do i

783
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,240
get a little passionate and that's the

784
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,760
best that i can do but we sometimes kind

785
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,600
of gravitate people towards us who who

786
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,960
know stuff and do stuff and that's quite

787
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,720
exciting

788
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,960
marsh i must tell you that um first of

789
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,720
all it's been a great pleasure meeting

790
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,559
you after being in touch for four years

791
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,799
so long

792
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,760
and i say you're a long uh a long and

793
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,000
auspicious line of uh australians who've

794
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,640
come to qed and been incredibly

795
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,039
supportive and utterly bloody lovely you

796
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,640
know there's yourself and rachey and

797
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,840
richard we've had some like really

798
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,600
lovely uh australian skeptics so i think

799
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,880
there's a real affinity between uk

800
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,799
skeptics and aussies we should do things

801
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:36,320
together as well we should we absolutely

802
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,750
hey guys this is jay from the skeptic's

803
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,279
guide to the university whoa whoa whoa

804
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,880
hold on whoa

805
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,480
everybody knows i'm the only reason to

806
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,080
listen to the freaking show right i mean

807
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:55,600
if it was up to me the show would start

808
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,549
yeah boy well rebecca would hate that

809
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,799
probably but i mean i'd rock that listen

810
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,320
to our show and you can learn about cool

811
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:08,080
stuff like a technological singularity

812
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,520
which is someday when technology

813
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,039
progresses so fast that it would make

814
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,480
the industrial revolution look like a

815
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:14,400
kid's science project anyway come check

816
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,520
us out at

817
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:18,000
www.theskepticsguide.org and get your

818
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,430
welcome to a week in science from aria

819
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:35,760
oz bringing you the science you need to

820
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,880
know mmm chocolate one of the world's

821
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favorite sweet foods words cannot

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the cacao bean the key ingredients of

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chocolate originates from south america

824
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and was brought to europe by the spanish

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in the 16th century since then there

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have been a number of benefits being

827
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promoted however research has started to

828
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,399
show that chocolate may indeed have a

829
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,720
number of good effects on our health in

830
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,399
particular cocoa is a rich source of

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flavonols chemicals which have an

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anti-inflammatory effect

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they accumulate in the brain regions

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involved in learning and memory

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especially the hippocampus flavonols

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have also been shown to increase blood

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flow to the brain while this doesn't

838
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:18,720
necessarily mean that chocolate will

839
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there is also evidence showing coco's

840
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,120
benefits for the haas and circulation

841
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,039
including reducing blood pressure by

842
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,440
relaxing vessel muscles dark chocolate

843
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,279
reduces platelet aggregation in blood

844
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,880
vessels which might help prevent

845
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,559
blockages which can result in heart

846
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,320
attacks we've only touched on the health

847
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,320
benefits of chocolate there is also

848
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,159
evidence that has positive effects on

849
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,399
cholesterol insulin resistance and blood

850
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,880
vessel function and improves mood and

851
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,120
well-being it should be noted though

852
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,640
that the processing of cocoa to

853
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,960
chocolate reduces the flavonol content

854
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,640
so studies which show an effect using

855
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,120
cocoa may not necessarily have the same

856
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,360
effect using processed chocolate as

857
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,039
always talk to your doctor about the

858
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:03,679
best health plan for you and now four

859
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,990
cacao beans the base ingredients of

860
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,320
chocolate were used by the aztecs as a

861
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,200
form of currency cacao beans grow inside

862
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,919
pods with each pod containing around 40

863
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:18,960
beans

864
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,919
43 of nobel prize winners eat chocolate

865
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,000
more than twice per week compared to

866
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,039
just 25 of the general public and while

867
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,880
we're talking about nobel prizes

868
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,480
countries with the highest chocolate

869
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,799
consumption also have the most nobel

870
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,080
prize winners

871
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,240
that's it for this week in science want

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to find out more about chocolate who

873
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wouldn't go to the aria's website

874
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follow us on twitter at rios and like us

875
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876
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the internet may be the information

877
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superhighway but there is no promise

878
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that the information is factually

879
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,799
correct

880
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,320
so when people use the internet to

881
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,240
educate themselves they are at risk of

882
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being misinformed and reaching false

883
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conclusions

884
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but don't worry there is a solution

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users when the web page they are

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because that is the internet that

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install the plugin and see what you can

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what we want is some more

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evidence please

909
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hello this is joe alabaster

910
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:37,760
from the courier mail newspaper dated

911
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,840
april 13 2014 by laura chalmers

912
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,519
it started as a niggling cough that

913
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,600
wouldn't go away when heidi robertson

914
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,000
was 25 weeks pregnant

915
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,840
before long the cough turned into severe

916
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,000
coughing fits that left her vomiting and

917
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:54,240
fearing for her baby's health

918
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,120
quote

919
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,159
it was terrifying i burst blood vessels

920
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,080
i was incontinent and i vomited after

921
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,480
every coughing fit for three months end

922
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,320
quote she said

923
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,399
quote i would cough so violently that i

924
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,159
was worried that i could lose the baby

925
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end quote

926
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,399
mrs robertson 40 considers herself

927
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,240
extremely lucky that she didn't infect

928
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:16,720
her newborn hugo now five when he was

929
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,600
born in 2009 or her older son charlie

930
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,039
now seven

931
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,799
hugo was born in the royal brisbane

932
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,120
hospital only a few weeks before dana

933
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,120
mccaffrey the four-week-old daughter of

934
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,360
tony and david mccaffrey who died from

935
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,480
who pinkoff in march 2009

936
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,360
quote

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00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,039
i could have easily passed this on to my

938
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,799
baby if i was still infectious when he

939
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,960
was born the fact he was not infected

940
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,440
was a miracle end quote mrs robertson

941
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,559
said

942
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,960
quote i heard about dana's death at the

943
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,880
time and given i had recently had the

944
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,960
diagnosis myself i was absolutely

945
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,880
horrified to think that could have been

946
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,360
my baby end quote

947
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,120
mrs robertson is part of a group of

948
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,480
northern rivers mothers raising

949
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,760
awareness of the importance of

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00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,000
vaccinations for parents of newborns and

951
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pregnant women

952
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quote

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00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,240
the awareness that adults do need a

954
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,640
booster is just not out there end quote

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00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:07,840
she said

956
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,720
quote i had every vaccination as a child

957
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,039
and lots more as i worked overseas but

958
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,880
one booster never mentioned to me was

959
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,039
the whooping cough booster it is still a

960
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,559
message that is not seeming to get

961
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,440
around

962
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,120
end quote

963
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,799
parents of babies under six months

964
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received free vaccines in queensland but

965
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,720
the program ceased on june 30 2012.

966
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,559
the national immunisation handbook

967
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recommends a whooping cough booster

968
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either pre-pregnancy during the third

969
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trimester or as soon as possible after

970
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,320
delivery

971
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,960
ama queensland president-elect dr sean

972
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rudd said parents and grandparents were

973
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,640
often keen to get a whooping cough

974
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,440
booster when advised of the evidence

975
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,440
queensland health communicable diseases

976
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,159
unit senior director dr sonja bennett

977
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,080
encouraged parents of newborns and other

978
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,240
family members in contact with the baby

979
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,960
to get the whooping cough vaccine

980
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,880
quote having government support for

981
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,559
these things can certainly improve and

982
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,320
increase the uptake and that would be a

983
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:05,600
good thing

984
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,190
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985
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999
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1000
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and joining me now all the way from

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00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:13,119
olimoto's in the czech republic it's

1002
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,000
best

1003
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,359
hello bish

1004
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,440
hi richard how are you i'm doing really

1005
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,160
well i'm envious oh i'm so envious that

1006
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,720
you're in olimoto's at the uh afo the

1007
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,160
film festival in the czech republic

1008
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,800
that's where we met this time last year

1009
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,800
uh how was it this year

1010
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,280
it's been it's been really wonderful and

1011
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:33,359
uh we're missing you

1012
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,359
and the people here are pretty awesome

1013
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,960
um you have some you have origami

1014
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,320
left out

1015
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,640
around the convict comic of course is

1016
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,720
the university where where the festival

1017
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,280
is is held so your legend lives on here

1018
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,760
very profoundly oh that's that's that's

1019
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,760
really nice to know if i can't be there

1020
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,079
in in the flesh at least some of my um

1021
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,920
creations can be scattered about the

1022
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,839
czech republic that's nice

1023
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,480
so no but so you let's talk a little bit

1024
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,800
about why you're at the uh the film

1025
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,480
festival a little bit about the festival

1026
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,040
itself uh we as i said we met there last

1027
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,640
year we were both on the international

1028
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,560
jury to uh select the best science

1029
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:14,880
documentary and i believe that you're at

1030
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,560
the uh the gathering now uh after the uh

1031
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,040
awards for this year the main

1032
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,800
award i guess is one the one that comes

1033
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,480
from the international jury of which you

1034
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,560
and i were apart last year

1035
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,640
and that went to a german film about

1036
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,920
honeybees

1037
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,359
i didn't have a chance to see it this

1038
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,839
year but i saw one clip and the

1039
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,280
cinematography was amazing and

1040
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,640
apparently they really explained the

1041
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,280
science behind how bees work as a team

1042
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,040
and then go on

1043
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,800
to create honey for

1044
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,520
well themselves and also for us

1045
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,280
wow fascinating that sounds absolutely

1046
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:49,520
fascinating and i have such fond

1047
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,480
memories of olomots the little uh

1048
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,160
little city there in the czech republic

1049
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,240
is so beautiful and such a lovely

1050
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,560
setting uh and i imagine you were just

1051
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,599
uh equally as charmed this year

1052
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:03,200
yeah it's really fantastic the nice

1053
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,480
thing about coming back the second year

1054
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,440
of course is that you're a little bit

1055
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,440
more familiar with everything you know

1056
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,640
all the people

1057
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,800
and i was a little bit more relaxed all

1058
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,400
the time when i had to speak and i had a

1059
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,079
few more engagements this year compared

1060
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,400
to last year and so it was nice to be a

1061
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,320
little bit primed

1062
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,560
i'm delighted to hear it and i i

1063
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,400
certainly hope one day i'll be able to

1064
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,400
attend that festival again it certainly

1065
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,000
uh was

1066
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,800
such a wonderful experience and on top

1067
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,720
of that you got to spend time with one

1068
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,480
of my favorite people the astronomer

1069
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,720
pamela gay

1070
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,480
tamague and i did a

1071
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,119
interview for the national czech radio

1072
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,640
there was like a half an hour segment

1073
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:42,079
called leonardo

1074
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,960
and

1075
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,320
they were on there to speak with her a

1076
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,880
little bit about her cosmo quest website

1077
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,320
and then afterwards they wanted to speak

1078
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,079
with me because of my ambitions and plan

1079
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,640
to go live on mars

1080
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,880
well let's get back to this uh wonderful

1081
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,520
and interesting ambition plan dream

1082
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,400
desire you have uh now a few weeks ago

1083
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,920
we had listeners from all around the

1084
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,760
world writing questions to you because

1085
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:08,160
you were locked away in the desert in

1086
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,400
utah i think it was uh simulating a mass

1087
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,480
mission uh living in a little

1088
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,480
environment there only going outside in

1089
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:19,200
a spacesuit how can you sum up that

1090
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,240
experience do you think it was

1091
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,599
worthwhile do you think you learned a

1092
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,800
lot

1093
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,640
it was definitely worthwhile i learned a

1094
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,960
lot both because of the simulation

1095
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,960
itself and because of the people whom

1096
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,599
with i spent all this time there were

1097
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:34,000
two people who work at nasa johnson

1098
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,359
space center and they're both

1099
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,119
professionals within their field one of

1100
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,839
them is an expert in spacesuits and the

1101
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,800
other one is an expert in

1102
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,119
countermeasures which means how you can

1103
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,359
do exercises to offset

1104
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,200
the typical type of bone loss and

1105
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:48,640
muscular loss that you would experience

1106
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,599
in microgravity or even i guess

1107
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,599
living in a habitat where you can't

1108
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,760
spend a lot of time outside or traveling

1109
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,280
distances in order to get regular

1110
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,720
exercise

1111
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,160
and there was also geologists there and

1112
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,000
she told me taught me a lot about how to

1113
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,640
find faults and uh different types of

1114
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,560
rock formations and

1115
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:08,160
it was very much an educational

1116
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,200
experience for me for a variety of

1117
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,040
reasons but of course then i got a

1118
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,560
little bit of a taste for what it would

1119
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,359
be like to live in a confined habitat

1120
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,680
and isolation in an area where

1121
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,240
everything is just rock and there's no

1122
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,560
plants around you or water

1123
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,320
and when you go outside you can't really

1124
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,720
interact with your environment

1125
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,040
i was doing some research there well

1126
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,200
more logistical experiments to

1127
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,520
understand

1128
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,599
what i would need to do if i were to

1129
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:37,839
come back and do like a blind crossover

1130
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,630
and a part of that what i had to do was

1131
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,200
go out and do some some evas or

1132
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,680
extravehicular activities and i had a

1133
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,079
heart rate monitor on and accelerometers

1134
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,560
and i would test my blood glucose and

1135
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,680
ketones

1136
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,200
before and after these evas and then

1137
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,800
when i returned i would do a series of

1138
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,599
cognitive tests and so forth and

1139
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,359
what it ended up doing was exploring a

1140
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,960
lot of the terrain around me and at the

1141
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,280
same time setting up some standardized

1142
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,400
evas that i can then use later on to

1143
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,680
test a variety of other things like

1144
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,599
compounds that would then offset the

1145
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,640
cognitive and muscular fatigue that that

1146
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,599
ensues after a strenuous eva on the

1147
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:19,520
third eva so this was after about 10

1148
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,560
days

1149
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:21,839
i had been there

1150
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,119
i actually stumbled upon water um

1151
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,960
which was rather rather surprising i

1152
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,760
mean

1153
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,000
sea surface water on mars would be very

1154
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,720
astounding of course

1155
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,960
but to see it even at this high plateau

1156
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,680
desert in utah was was rather rather

1157
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:39,200
amazing

1158
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,160
um

1159
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,920
and i found it there and

1160
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,839
and it was just so exciting to see this

1161
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,280
you know liquid moving water it was only

1162
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,800
a small brown puddle

1163
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,880
but it was it was definitely water

1164
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,280
nonetheless and i wanted to touch it but

1165
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,440
i couldn't touch it because i'm in a

1166
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,720
spacesuit and you don't have that

1167
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,400
ability to interact with

1168
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,000
with your environment and in the way

1169
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,000
that we can on earth we can feel things

1170
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,560
and the wind goes by we can smell

1171
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,319
um and that's definitely something which

1172
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:05,440
is

1173
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,440
home into me but you know by that

1174
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,520
experience and that was that was really

1175
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,200
important i think

1176
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,800
that's a fascinating thing that you

1177
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,720
bring up that when you go to mars or the

1178
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,800
first people go to mars that will be

1179
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,319
absolutely right there'll be no such

1180
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,560
thing as in direct interaction with the

1181
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,160
the martian environment it'll all be

1182
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,240
done through via uh

1183
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,200
wearing suits i imagine though that from

1184
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,960
time to time samples from the outside

1185
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,960
will be brought inside and then

1186
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,400
people be able to physically put their

1187
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,240
hands on things but from what i

1188
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,359
understand

1189
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,800
what i've

1190
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,119
gleaned from various reports about mars

1191
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,200
i think one of the biggest problems and

1192
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:44,880
you may know something about this uh

1193
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,599
they're anticipating is the ultrafine

1194
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,349
yeah

1195
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,599
in the simulation site um there's

1196
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,800
actually a lot of

1197
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,240
fine dust

1198
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,839
um

1199
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,680
that got into the hab and got on our

1200
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:01,599
suits and got over everything

1201
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,200
but i don't think it even compares

1202
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,960
in the slightest way to the type of fine

1203
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,800
dust that they have on mars i was

1204
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,720
speaking to norbert craft who's the

1205
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,599
chief medical officer for mars one

1206
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,040
and

1207
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,480
he was saying to me that it's more like

1208
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,720
a smoke than it is

1209
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,319
like a sand

1210
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,599
um it's so fine that in a relatively

1211
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,599
dense atmosphere like we have on earth

1212
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,280
it would float around like cigarette

1213
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,480
smoke

1214
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,920
but on mars it settles down to the

1215
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,960
ground because

1216
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,200
the air is so thin

1217
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,800
this is

1218
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,720
you know a pretty interesting concept

1219
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,200
and it will be everywhere and we won't

1220
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,119
be able to to prevent it from getting

1221
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:42,960
inside of the hab so let's hope it's not

1222
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,390
i just hope for your sake that's true

1223
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,160
but if it does get inside the habitat

1224
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:52,560
the habitat is going to be of course uh

1225
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400
pressurized to more or less earth uh

1226
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,800
well sea level or i'm i'm not sure maybe

1227
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,800
you can uh fill us in so maybe that

1228
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,480
could uh

1229
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,160
help with the dust

1230
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,920
well it probably won't be pressurized

1231
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,599
all the way to sea level that's not

1232
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,359
really necessary but it'll probably be

1233
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,920
about 60 percent of uh sea level

1234
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,880
pressure

1235
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,800
i imagine something around that

1236
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,119
and then of course it'll also be filters

1237
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,520
will continually be scavenging the air

1238
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,920
anyway for carbon dioxide

1239
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,240
and and replenishing it with oxygen all

1240
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,359
the time

1241
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,560
so at the same time we'll be able to

1242
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,640
filter out quite a bit of the dust but

1243
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:30,400
it will get inside that's that's that's

1244
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,359
for sure

1245
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,200
so that's interesting i it's something i

1246
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,720
didn't i only thought about when i asked

1247
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,240
you the question the habitat will be

1248
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,400
pressurized to make it habitable for

1249
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,680
humans of course and you you're

1250
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,359
suggesting something around sixty

1251
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,359
percent of uh

1252
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,760
what i'm experienced now experiencing

1253
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,160
now here at sea level what what does

1254
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,920
that equate to would that be like living

1255
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,920
in somewhere like denver or even higher

1256
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,960
up

1257
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,800
i'm not sure what that means

1258
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,680
i think 5000 meters is about 50

1259
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,079
so this is probably around 4000 meters i

1260
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,480
mean about that

1261
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,839
okay so so

1262
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,359
completely and

1263
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,839
acceptable for human existence for oh

1264
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,280
yeah i mean period that's like that's

1265
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,000
like uh the peaks of many of the

1266
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,000
of the mountains and switzerland where i

1267
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,640
ski so

1268
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,480
well you can say goodbye to skiing if

1269
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,720
you go to mars

1270
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,319
i'll be saying goodbye to a lot of

1271
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,480
things richard yeah if you will be

1272
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,880
indeed so where do you think the uh the

1273
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,640
base the martian base is going to be

1274
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,319
located on mars is it going to be near

1275
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,680
the equator is it going to be near one

1276
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,520
of the poles

1277
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,560
that's for sure it'd be way too cold for

1278
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,319
that and you also don't get too much

1279
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:41,119
sunlight down there or up there

1280
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:42,000
um

1281
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,359
but it won't be right on the equator

1282
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,760
either it'll be slightly north of the

1283
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,960
equator maybe 10 20 degrees north um the

1284
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,720
exact position

1285
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,319
you know within that region of course

1286
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,160
isn't uh isn't really understood just

1287
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,319
yet but um

1288
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,760
the reason why they want to choose a

1289
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,280
location like that is because the

1290
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,280
northern hemisphere is much more moist

1291
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,119
as in you can find a lot more water

1292
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,800
contained in the soil there

1293
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,079
but you also want to be relatively close

1294
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,240
to the equator to make things as warm as

1295
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,160
possible and to give yourself you know

1296
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,400
lots of access to sunlight all year

1297
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:13,760
round

1298
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,119
okay that makes perfect sense to me well

1299
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,520
bash i'm again i'm

1300
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,920
i can't tell you how envious i am uh

1301
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,920
that you're at uh the film festival in

1302
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,160
olomots it's a wonderful festival i had

1303
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,880
such a good time last year with so many

1304
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,440
documentaries that you and i both viewed

1305
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,240
last year it was just fantastic uh who

1306
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,720
knows maybe i i can be there one day

1307
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,560
again it's certainly a lot easier to

1308
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,160
visit you there than it would be on mars

1309
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,400
i think

1310
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,710
although you know i wouldn't rule that

1311
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,880
out if someone was kind enough to donate

1312
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,640
a round trip to mars i'd certainly

1313
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:52,560
consider taking it

1314
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,760
you know um richard

1315
00:46:02,550 --> 00:45:58,079
um

1316
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,560
the chapel remember the the room that we

1317
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,880
did last year in the chapel yes you gave

1318
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,319
a talk to chapel and then i gave him one

1319
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,400
later with with andrew

1320
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,920
um

1321
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,119
so this year they booked me into the

1322
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,720
chapter chapel

1323
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,200
matiere wrote like a very enticing

1324
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,560
description

1325
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,960
for for people to come in

1326
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,240
and put me first in the book so that a

1327
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,680
lot of people saw it

1328
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,480
and the chapel completely packed out

1329
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,000
and there was more people standing there

1330
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,359
sitting wow and i was in there and i

1331
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,640
i really like to engage people

1332
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,359
in science by letting them be

1333
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,040
the drivers of the discussion because

1334
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,720
when somebody asks a question it's

1335
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,839
because they're curious and when

1336
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,000
somebody's curious they remember the

1337
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,680
answer

1338
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,599
and so i gave like i showed a few

1339
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,520
pictures from the simulation site and i

1340
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,920
showed them a nice diagram that i had

1341
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,079
made to explain you know how we get from

1342
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,640
earth to mars and the physics of it and

1343
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,240
then i just opened up the floor for

1344
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,599
discussions

1345
00:47:03,829 --> 00:46:59,280
and

1346
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,839
straight people just asking questions

1347
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,920
all the time and one person who kept

1348
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,599
asking questions was this little boy

1349
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,440
named seven years old who was seven

1350
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,359
years old eight years old maybe

1351
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,520
uh named dominique and then i've met him

1352
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,359
a few times since then

1353
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:17,599
and he's absolutely convinced that

1354
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,640
that he wants to go to mars as well now

1355
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:22,640
and would be very pleased to meet me

1356
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,440
there he said

1357
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,040
and his parents are wonderful people too

1358
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:28,880
and it was it was really

1359
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,560
i mean this this festival is very

1360
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,000
special in that regard that you really

1361
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,079
have a chance to meet with

1362
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,800
the public and just and talk to people

1363
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,040
and um and you were here last year and

1364
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,960
you know what it's like i mean i

1365
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,160
i couldn't say

1366
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,480
anything negative about affo it's really

1367
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,800
it's really an inspirational place for

1368
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,720
the people who come to see the films for

1369
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,440
the filmmakers and for the for the token

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scientists that show up to to to do

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their part too it's uh

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it's pretty awesome here

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i'd have to agree and on top of that i

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would say that the little city of

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olimoto's is one of the most uh charming

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places i've ever been to in my life with

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the the uh the town square the town

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squares plural i should say and that

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wonderful

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michael's church where you can go right

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up to the belfry and be standing next to

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the huge bells when they go off that's

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that's something special i remember your

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video from that that was brilliantly

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done

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well i tell you what in the show notes

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this week folks i'll link to uh

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information about the festival there in

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olimotes i'll link to the the video i

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made about standing next to the ringing

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bells and i'll certainly add more

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information about uh our guest all the

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way from the czech republic

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dr saab well bash

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again uh our continued warm wishes for a

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successful process on your

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hopeful journey to mars

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zone this week

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mars i wonder if there's any chocolate

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on mars

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first mission they get to mars and they

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open up the door there step out on the

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martian surface and there are chocolate

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easter eggs scattered about for kids to

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find

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they could be dreaming about tonight

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hey look if you're in sydney in november

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this year november the 28th 29th and

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30th come along to the australian

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skeptics national convention our special

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guests are the skeptic's guide to the

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universe

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george herrera dick smith will be there

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dr karl krzelniski lots of other

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speakers yet to be announced dr rachel

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dunlop of course will be giving a very

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interesting talk as she always does

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tickets

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don't miss out this will be one of the

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biggest conventions skeptical

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conventions held in australia well since

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the amazing meeting in 2010

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and before i go a big thank you of

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course as ever to those wonderful people

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who kick in contribute chip in tithe

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ridiculous like that

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less than a cup of coffee as they say

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simple as that and a big shout out to

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maynard yes our wonderful friend maynard

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a couple of weeks ago i went to what

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they call the mad club reunion which was

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a great afternoon in a record bar in

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sydney upstairs uh music and silly

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antics going on maynard carrying on it

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was was terrific fun

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and i'll add a link to the show notes

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where you can

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listen for yourself and see some

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photographs from mad club with maynard

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but for now for oh before i go before i

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go a couple of days ago i went to the

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royal easter show here in sydney the big

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country fair so to speak but it's huge

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it's massive that's it's a huge show of

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carnival rides and exhibitions and and

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all sorts of things

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i came across the little stand a little

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stall little booth of singing bowls

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people selling singing bowls which are

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metallic bowls and you

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you

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sort of run around the rim with a little

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tong or something and they make

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wonderful vibrations and they sound

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really great

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but one of their claims

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written on their wall is that these

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singing bowls will cleanse food and

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water

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needless to say i had a chat with the uh

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the people that stand there they didn't

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quite understand when i said well what

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do they cleanse how do they cleanse they

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kill bacteria

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they were very confused part of the

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thing is of course that these people

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simply aren't used to uh

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having people ask them questions

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cleanse food and water well of course

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these balls can't cleanse food they

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can't make them clean they can't kill

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bacteria and so on and so forth if

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you're going to the royal easter show in

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sydney

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and you come across the stand of singing

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bowls

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actually cleanse food and water you know

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what we might get them to change that

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claim it's a bit misleading i

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think rant over

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so for this week this is richard

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saunders signing off from sydney

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone